At today’s city council meeting, it was announced that the Chief of Police title is now Police Commissioner. So, make sure you call him Commissioner Bail, not Chief Bail.
Two new positions were created, Chief of Staff and Lieutenant Colonel. Darren Alston was appointed to Lieutenant Colonel. I don’t think the Chief of Staff was announced.
Other than the police title shuffle, Ronald Starr has an employment agreement as Chief of Staff to the Mayor, and there was a budget ordinance amendement approved.
Compared to the council meeting earlier this week, this one was short, sweet, and with few attenders.
It's sad the way they do our children. There are parents who want a good education for their children but end up stuck in this predicament because of financial troubles. What was the use of the no child left behind act if they're leaving all our children behind. We should be able to send our children to a neighboring district if we're willing to pay the out of pocket expenses to assure they get a quality education
ReplyDeleteyou can!, that's up to the other school district not chester-upland
Deletea good education starts at home not at school. knowledge is free
DeleteLIEUTENANT COLONEL WHAT IS THIS THE ARMY NOW........ HOW ABOUT CHIEF INSPECTOR, THIS IS NOT THE STATE POLICE OR IS IT NOW GOING TO BE LIKE THE STATE POLICE????? I GUESS HE THE COMISH IS GOING TOM ATTACK ON ALL FRONTS JUST LIKE PATTON!!!!!!!!!! WERE IN THE ARMY NOW YOUR DIGGING A DITCH YOUR IN THE ARMY NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HOPE ALL THE YOUNG GUYS TAKE TESTS AND GET OUT WHY YOU CAN< TRUST ME LEAVE AS FAST AS YOU CAN.........
ReplyDeleteI would like to know why the council meetings are at 10am on Wed mornings? I like most others I know who are interested in the city are at work...(like I don't have the answer to my own ?)
ReplyDeleteMayor and Council meet every second and fourth Wednesday of the month at 10:00 am in Council Chambers, located at City Hall, 1 Fourth Street, Chester, PA 19013. *The first regular Council Meeting of every other month shall be held in the City Council Chambers at 7:00 pm, prevailing local time, with the exception of April.
DeleteThat comes from the city's website.
Sooner or later they'll update the date and times of council meeting for 2012.
Lieutenant colonel. hahaha alston cant even spell that. lol. hahahaha big dummy
ReplyDeleteHonestly, I can't spell lieutenant either. Thank God for spell check.
DeleteALSTON IS 100 TIMES BETTER THEN MADDDDD MANNNNNNNN AKA THE COMISH.....................
ReplyDeleteIs this the same Joe Bail that supposedly spent time traveling the World with anti-terrorist fraud John Giduck while simultaneously collecting a paycheck from the City? The same Joe Bail who hangs out with former/current Russian intelligence agents? The same Joe Bail that received a $20,000 Zodiak boat from John Giduck, and lists his hobby on Facebook as "boating"? The same Joe bail that then hired John Giduck as a "consultant" to the City? Say it isn't so!
ReplyDeleteJohn Giduck is a fraud!!!
DeleteJoe Bail is a fat fraud too!
DeleteA primer on John Giduck and how the issue came about. In short, it's what you should be asking of John Giduck
Deletehttp://thetruthaboutsocnetlies.wordpress.com/2012/02/22/what-you-should-be-asking-of-john-giduck/
Brought me up to speed quickly.
It's documented that John Giduck, the Commish's close business associate (they wrote two books together) and BFF, had a "personal" relationship with a convicted cop-killer where they took a vacation together using her dead husband's insurance money (see: http://forums.officer.com/showthread.php?175513-John-Giduck-You-should-know-about-this!). Now the Commish is paying him with city funds to help with Chester's rampant terrorism problem?! Why would a law enforcement officer have a close professional and personal relationship with this type of person? What does this say about his character? What kind of person does Chester have running their police department?
ReplyDeleteThere is a downloadable PDF about John Giduck that provides information that police officers should know about John Giduck
Deletehttp://www.mediafire.com/?0oprjc3hibt4lnq
I've heard that a similar one is coming out about Joe Bail's activities to with all new undisclosed information.
Joe Bail's official website is down...what's up with that? Is he quitting? severing ties with John Giduck?
Deletehttp://www.chestercity.com/commissioner_bail.cfm
What's going on?
Bubbles
Ouch Anonymous! That comment is going to leave a mark! This business about this Giduck-Bail relationship coming to light isn't going to be well-received by those at City Hall. It would seem that controversy follows this fellow Giduck whenever he pops up in law enforcement circles. Interesting phenomenon for once you follow the smoke long enough, you usually end up at the fire.
ReplyDeleteActually certain members of the city council have been contacted and they are burying their heads in the sand.
DeleteWait a miute, what are we doing? We (the city) are paying someone for terrorists trianing, when the PD can't/won't solve even low level crime!
ReplyDeleteWhat?!!! Joe Bail is paying John Giduck for training? Is this the same John Giduck who vacationed with a cop-killer wife, using the insurance money from the very cop she killed, while acting as her attorney? Is this the same John Giduck who claims to have worked and trained with Socient intelligence? What a debacle!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36694
became a police officer in chester during 1978. since that time i have seen 5/6 police chiefs/comminsoners come and go. i believe that all these persons were fine men. but like the queen of england they were there as a ceremonial figure. i would like to see the police commisoner become a community person. like, hook up with cory long's program,ralph dorsey's program, the brothers of concern ,school programs etc. have police officers become more pro-active within the community. maybe joe bail can change the image of the top office. time will tell!!!!
ReplyDeleteThat is a nice sentiment. An honourable, honest "independant" leader, who is not in anyone's pocket.
DeleteUnfortunately the questions that are being raised about Mr Bails character and his unusually close association with Mr John Giduck would seem to suggest otherwise.
Mr John Giduck is a fraud. Mr Giduck, whilst practising as an attorney represented the wife of a slain police officer. While he was representing this cop killer he enjoyed a holiday with the cop killer paid for by the funds of slain officers insurance pay out. The wife of the slain office was later convicted for his death.
Mr Bail continues to support Mr Giduck.
For those of you interested in the real truth and would like to know more about the honour and integrity of your elected commissioner go here and make your own decision.
www.socnet.com/Showthreads.php?t=107621
How much money is Chester paying to John Giduck? Why do we need an international Intelligence section? If Bail was on Giduck's payroll, doesn't it seem odd that Bail hires Giduck on the city dime as a consultant? That appears to be some very shady, back door dealing right there. As tax payers, we should be outraged, and Bail should be out of a job.
ReplyDeleteJoe Bail can change the image. He's the epitome of the fat, donut eating, full of crap, strap hanging, insecure, got beat up as a kid stereotype of a copy
ReplyDeleteHis Walter Mitty fantasies will get someone kill
All IMO
What in the world is going on in Chester? What did we do to deserve this attention? For a small town in PA?
ReplyDeleteWho is this Giduck guy and what did he do to get everyone upset?
Why does the Police Department have an "international Intelligence"unit. Was it formed so that those officers assigned could go on their international intelligence gathering trips and not have to worry about using up their vacation time. Also, what do they do when they are not doing international intelligence work. Are they in the office putting together their next PowerPoint for their off duty work. Is the city paying for their travel. Do they have a case load. Who approved the international intelligence unit. What is going on here. Irate citizen.
ReplyDeleteThe amusing thing is that the city's website actually appears to brag about the various junkets that they have sent Mr Bail to. I don't really see any training value to this. Particularly not for a force this small. The fact that there hasn't already been some questions asked as to the need for a cop from a small town to run around the world asking questions about terrorism (presumably) speaks volumes about the level of citizen involvement in the local government. Particularly when you can read some of his conclusions online and clearly see that they didn't get their money's worth. It is interesting that they're apparently spending money on this kind of frivolity at around the same time the city council is looking at raising taxes. It appears that the lunatics are running the asylum.
DeleteStefan Roots - What is going on in Chester? I would have to say Chicago style corruption of the first order. Your police dept cannot protect its citizens. Why? Guys like Ernie Mancheria and Joe Bail are too busy scamming the taxpayer through fraudulent business relationships.
ReplyDeleteWhy do we care? We give our lives everyday so that the people of Chester and elsewhere in this fine country shall be free. Corruption hurts everyone except those that benefit at the top.
So you understand: Joe Bail & his close buddy John Giduck have picked a fight with the US Military's Special Forces community. Bad move - now we will expose them for the frauds they are. You need to have an audit of Chester PD's books. I guarantee you they are crooked.
I think someone in the city council needs to demand to see Mr. Giducks credentials, especially as they relate to intelligence. Where did Mr. Giduck receive intelligence traning? Answer- He didn't. He didn't even graduate from Army basic tranining. Yet, he apparently is so valuable that the city of just over 30,000 has money to pay for his services. Wouldn't that money be better spent on real police services? Maybe the fire dept or some other agency?
ReplyDelete"So, make sure you call him Commissioner Bail, not Chief Bail."
ReplyDeleteIf I had my choice I would call him fired. What a joke being played on WE THE TAXPAYERS!!
Have you forgotten about us?
Doesn't Chester have consistently one of the WORST crime rates in the state? If so, why is Chester wasting money, time, and resources keeping the streets safe from terrorists, unless maybe someone's pockets are getting lined?
ReplyDelete1. Chester, a relatively small town, has a counter-terrorism department
2. Not many reasons to think terrorists have their eyes on Chester
3. Long-time cop Joe Bail has been working with a known-fraud and bogus anti-terrorism "expert" John Giduck through their "Archangel Group", which trains LE and other organizations based on Giduck's bogus and fraudulent resume and credentials.
4. Joe Bail has co-written several anti-terrorism books with Giduck, which Bail and Giduck have made a few bucks off of
5. Joe Bail has made several over-seas trips regarding terrorism with Giduck (on the Chester dime?)
6. Giduck "donated" a $20k boat to the Chester PD
7. Giduck is now a paid consultant for the elite Chester PD counter-terrism division
Is ANYONE in Chester able to smell something funny in all that? Is the city council on the take, too, or are they just willing to let themselves and their constituents be ripped off and duped?
boy i tell ya,anything thats gets done in this city there is alot of complaining.like the saying goes "u can't please everybody" !!!!!!
ReplyDeleteIt's even harder to find things to not complain about. If you have any good news stories, please send them to me for posting. They usually get no comments.
Deleteif not known already, perhaps someone should advise the honorable mayor john linder and commisoner joe bail about the chester city blogger!! and read and absorb some of the pro/con comments.
DeleteI suspect that most of us have more of an issue with the fact that nothing of consequence is being done. But hey, at least we have an international intelligence section. There is not any rational reason to have one for a town this size- nor is there anything that justifies our police chief (sorry, commissioner) running around the world playing danger tourist. Trips to Mumbai, Beslan, and Israel are zero value added for our department. But they make great bullet points on the resume for a side gig when presented to the gullible as evidence of achievement.
DeleteDan Lewis. Thanks for the plug.
DeleteI'm sure the Mayor knows I'm here. I can't speak for the Commish.
If for no other reason than reputation management, you'd think something would have been offered on this blog by either of them by now.
However, it's been my experience that Chester City officials don't have an image improvement plan or aggressive communication plan.
I have not received a press release from city hall since October 2011.
I gave Mayor Butler a pass since it's never been his style to communicate. I can't tell you what Mayor Linder's excuse could be other than being satisfied with people continuing to dog him and his appoinments without out any retort.
Seems like an unusual strategy, but I guess it works for him.
Dan maybe Joe Bail will look into people like John King selling bad merchandise to the people in the city. Oh yeah he now has a job working with the anti violence task force. Chester is a joke 6 months ago your selling knock offs now your working hand in hand with the Mayor. LOL.
DeleteMr. Roots please change your format, so people can't hide behind an anonymous moniker. They are brave to make comments pro or con if they don't have to sign their name. I wonder hoe many if these commentators would be man enough to sign their name. It's easy to condem when you can stay unknown..
ReplyDeleteThanks for your suggestion Paul.
DeleteI often wonder who would read this blog if it were published by The Anonymous Blogger.
Only a few of us are willing to put our selves out there like this. I'm not sure if that's a blessing or curse.
I too appreciate anyone who provides a name with their comment. It's hard to take anyone serious when they stand behind the anonymous wall.
If you had joined me when this blog started, I did just what you suggested by blocking anonymous. The result was very few comments and a lot of email in my inbox.
I don't like it, but the Internet is the place where people feel comfortable speaking their minds anonymously. It dosen't just occur here.
The trade off of eliminating anonymous is limited particiaption and expression.
The purpose of this blog is to get people talking about Chester, or topics Chester folks should be familiar with. I purposely select posts that stimulate this.
Over 98% of the commentors don't want to be identified. However, I credit them with bringing quality comments more times than not. Most interative web formats can't make that claim (see Delcotimes.com comments).
And, I do have the power to reject the ones that are completely off based (and there are very few of them).
Responding to anonymous commentors always makes me feel that I'm talking to a wall, but I respect that someone took the time to read and make their comment.
I know this is not what you want to hear. All I can ask is that you play along with this crazy game of anonymous by replying also.
They are real people and they know who they are even though they prefer to remain nameless.
Nice straw man. That is the classic refuge of the corrupt on the internet. "But... sniff sniff....but.... They don't use their real names sob..."
DeleteAddress the issues or don't whine- pretty simple. As of this post not a single issue that has been raised has been addressed by anyone in the spotlight. There have been counter attacks, lies, attempts to intimidate, and attempts to marginalize but no addressing the issue of the unseemly bond between the public figures Joe Bail and John Giduck. Nor any mention as to whether or not Mr Giduck is receiving any of our money at a time when taxes are being raised. Nor any comment on whether public funds were used to finance Mr Bail's danger tourism. Whine about anonymity all that you want- it will not deflect the magnifying glass that is being placed on certain individuals who chose to make their living in the public spotlight taking taxpayer's money.
Paul Battinieri, it may interest you to know that it appears your boss has used his authority to have Chester PD officers call private citizens and threaten legal action for simply questioning the credentials of his buddy, John Giduck. This is why anonymity is desired.
DeleteThe details are out there. Google is your friend.
Sergeant, glad to know that you are following this blog. The issue of anonymity is a non-issue. The pertinent issues are those that have been brought up. You are either going to address the issues, or you are not. What difference does a name do you, really? You have decided to make it known that you reading this, now address the issues. Should you decide not to, which I can almost guarantee, then others reading this can ask themselves; why not? Thanks for sharing your interest in this discourse, now let's hear from you!!
DeleteWho the hell are you?
ReplyDeleteIf you are asking about Mr Battinieri, He would be another employee of the Chester PD. SGT Type I believe. Why on earth would we have any hesitancy to provide our names to a member of an organization that has a history of calling people outside of their jurisdiction on the subject of John Giduck and attempting to get them to be silent? A member of an organization that appears to be corrupt at the top level? I cannot imagine that there is any reason to be hesitant at all on giving out that information. It isn't like Mr Giduck has a history of publishing the personal details of those that he has an issue with or reaching out to police buddies to contact them..... Oh, wait- yes he does. Perhaps the public figures that this whole mess is swirling around should address the issues at hand. While we're at it maybe Mr Bail could expand on the subject of how anyone that disagrees with his buddy is supporting the terrorists:
Delete"You see, I’m mad as hell. I am mad that the politically motivated, Islam-loving, terroristapologizing
media continues to paint the Muslim extremists as reasonable, decent people. I am
even madder that when they cannot convince the public of the rightness of that belief, that they
then paint us – that is everyone who works to keep this country safe from terror attacks – as
unreasonable, indecent people."
I'd recommend putting on some hip waders before you read the rest of it here: http://archangelgroup.org/content_main/Washington-Monthly-Rebuttal3-2011.pdf
If you don't see the absurdity in Mr Bail's contention that he is on the front lines of the war on terror I really don't know what to say.
The article that got Mr Bail's blood pressure up is found here: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2011/1103.stalcup-craze.html
I would seriously suggest taking the time to read both. Ask yourself at what point in the original article the authors are "terrorist-apologizing." I'm not sure if Mr Bail's rebuttal offends me more for its flanking attack on anyone that he disagrees with or for its frothing straw-man level of rhetoric.
The author of the original piece has an excellent response here: http://www.joshuacraze.com/waste-books/2011/3/19/a-response-to-the-bail-letter.html
What really catches my eye is the apparently grandiose vision of himself Mr Bail seems to hold. Being a police officer in Chester is a noble calling- it is not, however, a position on the front lines of the war on terror. How confused do your priorities have to be to come to the conclusion that Chester needs you to fly off to Mumbai or Beslan in order to serve our citizenry? The issues facing the community are much closer to home. How many Chester PD members have been playing danger tourist? Has the city been footing the bill in any way? Is this really a valid use of tax money? Are the lunatics, in fact, running the asylum? Inquiring minds and all that.
There's a reason some people choose to remain anonymous. Having spent the last ten years engaged in real-life counter-terrorist activities, I have no desire to disclose my identity. That said, as my profession involves counter-terrorism, I'm appalled that your Police Commissioner is riding the coat-tails of a known counter-terrorism fraud (John Giduck), and has engaged in dubious, if not criminal financial dealings with this person. The citizens of Chester need to ask themselves and their representatives a few questions:
ReplyDeleteDid John Giduck give either Joe Bail or the police department a $20,000 Zodiak boat obtained with funds from a non-profit organization?
Did Joe Bail then accompany John Giduck on various trips around the World while employed by the Chester PD?
Did Joe Bail then convince the City of Chester to create an "International Anti-terrorist Unit" with John Giduck as a paid consultant?
Is Chester such a hot-bed of terrorism that it needs to spend tax dollars on an "International" anti-terrorist unit, or is there a less-than-honorable reason for doing so?
While Joe Bail was editing books and traveling with John Giduck, was he being paid with your tax dollars, and did this significant time period count towards his retirement?
Was the experience gained during his World travels with, and book editing for fraud John Giduck a factor in hiring Joe Bail as Police Commissioner?
Did Joe Bail really travel to all of the places he says he has? There is no mention of Joe Bail traveling to Beslan in any of Giduck's book credits, yet Joe Bail says he was the "only active U.S. law enforcement person present at the scene. There should be a visa in his passport for this trip, if he actually went. If it is not present, Joe Bail's most significant claim to fame is a lie.
The City of Chester has a serious crime problem, and has had one for many years. Was it prudent for Joe Bail to be off globe-trotting and editing books, instead of investigating and solving crimes for the City...the job he was hired to do?
Is Joe Bail more interested in his resume, two-thirds of which is based on his association with John Giduck, than he is in managing a Police Department?
Finally, I would think that by now, as a newspaper, you would have someone neck-deep in investigating this.
Alas, this is but a blog to a newspaper... a newspaper that has been in bed with Joe Bail and his band of thugs for years... why else would the City of Chester have one of the highest crime rates in the State? Those in power want to keep it that way to keep the population down.....
DeleteThis blog has no connection to the Daily Times newsroom and is absolutely independent of content directed by them.
DeleteI am not an employee of the Daily Times, nor do I receive any payment from them for publishing this blog.
However, if you'd like the Daily Times to investigate, contact them and refer them to this blog topic.
Done.
DeleteI wonder if the Philly paper has any interest in this story. I guess we'll know soon enough- I contacted them too.
DeleteLate to this blog. I read what has been put out, including the links, and I have to say, that it appears, where there is smoke there is fire. My issue, as a local, is why do we have an international anything at the PD. We have enough problems here and don't, or shouldn't, be wasting ANY resources on what appears to be some private venture set up within the PD. I would like a public accounting of this. Can anyone from the PD explain in this open forum what has been going on, and directly address the issues brought up in this blog. I am angry that it seems that my tax money is being wasted. Someone address my concerns!!
ReplyDeleteI can tell u first hand we don't have an international anything, every unit is only assigned to the city
DeleteWow Stuffy! I thought I was a lightning rod? You've got people talking. That's good. for years folks in Chester sat back and watched the world go by based upon old political tactic from the McClure Era. After an idea, coversation is the next step to planning. Maybe this will provide enough information for folks to make an educated decision about their mayor, police commissioner, and life in general as it refers to Chester. No more sitting around and depending on the rumor mill to provide much needed information!
ReplyDeleteStuffy!!!
Deleteyou got some nerve. you left on a false disability and stole money from the from the program you were running
DeleteBump!!!!
ReplyDeleteChester citizens need an accounting out of the Chester PD. Lots of money changing hands - not much getting done concerning the safety of us citizens.....
Man, if you read through all of the stuff on the net (Google "John Giduck"), you'll see who Bail's hooked himself up with. I find it interesting that the Chester PD is in EVERY reference to Bail and Giduck's relationship. How's this going to reflect on Chester when Giduck finally has to answer for himself (and he WILL have to answer for himself) when their commissioner has publicly used his title and role to benefit and give credibility to his and Giduck's scams? Does Chester and it's abyssmal crime rate need drug through the mud even further?
ReplyDeleteWell Said Joe!!
ReplyDeleteSergeant, since you decided to lend your voice to this thread, lets address some of the issues brought up. Or, was your only reason for posting, an attempt at stifling any dissent? Man up, address any of the issues: even one...just one...just a teensy weensy one issue.
ReplyDeleteOh, and BTW, who made you write your post? Anyone we know? The smoke is drifting from the smokescreen. The truth always prevails.
I think that is an excellent idea SGT. Oh- hey, while you're at it maybe you can discuss the wisdom of portraying yourself (Royal "yourself")as an anti-terrorism expert while having an open Facebook account that includes pictures of family and friends, tracks your location (Hope that you enjoy Rehobeth Beach), and could easily be used to clue someone in as to when you would be away from home. The anti-terror guru the Chester PD seems to be rallying around has apparently been grossly negligent in your training on persec. Don't get me wrong- I think that the likelihood of Al Qaeda striking in Chester is about on par with the likelihood of a squadron of flying monkeys coming to the defense of John and Joe- but in all seriousness, it is not wise to have that much information so easily obtainable by anyone who wants it.
DeleteHere is a small clue- people who are really involved with anti-terror or counter-terror programs keep a low profile. They don't engage in online dick-measuring contests centered around whether or not their training guru is a swell guy out in the open. Whatever you may think about us or anything else concerning this subject- You are making your personal information way too accessible. This seems to be a trend with those that are affiliated with John Giduck. A lot of you claim to be on the front lines of the fight against terror, yet you ensure that the target is lit for the bad guys should they care to come calling. That alone speaks volumes about your competence on the subject- and from that we can infer that it also speaks volumes as to the quality of training that you have received. How much of that was from John Giduck by the way?.
Again- the number of actual issues that have been addressed by anyone on the other side of this issue is still hovering at 0. If you do not at this point have some serious questions that you want answered by your boss, you are part of the problem.
I think the Sergeant is busy polishing the Gudick.
ReplyDeleteThe Sergeant appears to be at a loss for words. He was quick to be a tough guy, but when the overwhelming evidence suggests he's wrong - he's quickly shut his mouth. Or perhaps he has something in his mouth????
ReplyDeleteMaybe they have finally wised up and realized that the best thing they can do is shut up and hope this all blows over. I somehow doubt that approach is going to work for the two principals involved in this sordid tale. For the peanut gallery that would be Mr. Joe Bail and Mr. John Giduck. They seem to have a curious relationship that has both Joe employed by John and John employed by Joe. Wonder how much of the money that changes hands in this incestuous little circle-jerk is taxpayer money. Wonder how curious any federal agencies are about this. Rumor is that several three-letter agencies are now aware of this foolishness. Aaaaaaaand........ the only word we have from the Bail/Giduck camp is whining about anonymity. Maybe it was his first day on the internet.
DeleteI believe that Bail should be accountable for the following. These are a few questions that anyone looking in should be concerned about.
ReplyDelete1. Why do you have an international intelligence unit?
2, Who approved it?
3. What are the objectives of the unit, as it pertains to the residents of Chester?
4. What do you do when you get to the office every day?
5. Has the city funded any international trips?
6. Has the city allowed officers to travel on city time?
7. What impact does your unit have on crime?
8. What intelligence do you gather that is not readily accessible from other sources?
9. What is the combined salary of those assigned to the international intelligence unit?
10. How many local crimes do you believe that your unit will solve?
Have a nice day.
#9 & #10 are outstanding questions that need to be answered.
DeleteUnless there is a problem with pirates plying the Delaware River, does the City of Chester really need an anti terrorism unit? Or is the local dope man now considered a terrorist?
ReplyDeleteFollow the money...
all those in favor of joe bail. now. is the time to stand up and be recognized!!! "true colors"
Delete11. Hello, where are you?
ReplyDelete12. Why will you not answer any questions?
The silence is deafening.
ReplyDeleteStefan, you appear to be pretty reasonable person, with a good head on your shoulders. You have been following this tread, so let me ask you a question or two. What are your thoughts on this issue, given the information available? Do you not think there is something mighty peculiar going on at the PD, concerning their international intelligence unit? I have to say that I am not a resident of Chester, but since you are, can you tell me if they are close to shutting down the international intelligence yet? I would ask the good Sgt, but he said his piece and then left the house. Thank you sir for allowing people to air their concerns.
ReplyDeleteWhen I worked for the Daily Times, I was surprised how many employees didn't read the paper. I doubt if Rick Wilcox samples every doughnut he makes at Phatsos.
DeleteThat's my way of saying that up to today, I hadn't followed this story very closely.
I couldn't help but to notice the volume of comments and by skimming them I sense a lot of internal angst against the new police commish.
Having read the comments and the articles, I agree that someone should explain the role Chester has in anti-terrorism.
Even before Bail was appointed, the publisher of the Overtown Express paper had uncovered that Chester has a lot of law enforcement and anti terror activity going on. He could never get a straight answer as to why either.
Although Bail was not a popular appointment amoung the people of Chester, I am learning through this blog that the police force doesn't seem thrilled either. Yet, everyone seemed to know Bail would be appointed as far back as the mayor's primary election.
In all that I've read, this is my favorite line...
Counterterrorism training is quite obviously an opportunity to bring outside expertise to departments. Expertise, however, needs to be both real and relevant to the police mandate. It should also be subject to a real system of evaluation, accreditation and auditing. This is what is sorely lacking, and what we sought to bring to public attention.
If there is indeed a new cottage industry of counterterrorism experts providing training, I hope it's not as loosey-goosey as the reports and comments make it appear. If so, the problem isn't just here in Chester, but nationwide.
It would be nice if someone would explain the role that Chester has committed to regarding anti terrorism.
I'd also like to know why the PD appears pretty locked-up with their info? Most local PDs have these cool, new-fangled things called websites that they use to highlight their department and inform the local public as to what they're doing, what services they offer the community, etc. Most of the websites I've looked at have sub-pages for the various teams/branches and do a good job of providing tranparency to the local community as well as sell themselves to the taxpayers. Does Chester PD work with the local school system to help reduce drug use? Does Chester PD have a K-9 team, SWAT team, Narcotics Team, etc.? What programs DOES the Chester PD have that they're spending tax dollars on? Any decent PD has this information readily available; not Chester PD. The Chester PD website consists of an address and phone number, their mission statement and core values, and then a link to the good Commish's page with one paragraph of his credentials followed by two paragraphs explaining his affiliation with the known-fraud, John Giduck. There's actually more info about Joe Bail and John Giduck on the Chester PD website than there is about the actual police department!!!
ReplyDeleteThis glaring lack of information, coupled with secrecy around the Chester PD budget, should have every responsible citizen in Chester asking questions and demanding answers.
Stefan thanks for your reply, and also thank you for reading the links. So, what can be done to obtain answers from the PD? I believe that their stance is to hunker down and allow this to blow over, while continuing with their waste of taxpayers dollars. That's your tax money Stefan. There has to be accountability. Bail is choosing not to answer anyone in this blog, because he does not have a reasonable and fiscally responsible answer. He would expose himself as a charlatan. Stefan, how does one find out what impact the international intelligence unit has on the crime rate, and crime solvability, in Chester? I guess we will never know, unless someone takes the helm and presses for answers. Good luck in your endeavors sir!
ReplyDeleteCity officials have never contributed to this blog or the Chester Spotlight paper. It's like they believe I'm going to twist their words into something crazy.
DeleteThe Chester Spirit paper was brought to Chester with support from city government. If anyone can get them to talk, it's The Chester Spirit. That's who they talk to.
Wasn't Commish Bail featured in that paper a couple weeks ago? Maybe it's time for The Chester Spirit to do a follow up story.
Stefan, as a retired LAPD Officer, I can give you some direction. LAPD has a policy of openness with the citizens of Los Angeles, except in those cases involving ongoing investigations. The LAPD has a civilian Police Commission, which entails civilian oversight of the Department. In simple terms, the Commission can overrule the Chief in certain matters. I would suggest that you check out this website and contact then for some guidance. They are very approachable. I hope this helps, and good luck sir.
Deletehttp://www.lapdonline.org/police_commission
Stefan, it sure sounds like Commish Bail and the PD in general are accountable to no one. Why is that? How does a person on the payroll of the City have that much power, where they answer to no one? I wish you luck in trying to get to the truth of this matter. To quote that famous Irishman, E. Burke, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." The abuse of ones position and the abuse of the funds allocated to a city entity is corruption. Follow the money behind the international intelligence unit and you will, without doubt, find, as a minimum, a serious integrity problem. Compromise ones integrity and open oneself to moral decay. The citizens of Chester are owed a response, and should demand one. Sir, good luck.
ReplyDeleteanonymous describes joe bail as a "charlatan"
ReplyDeleteperhaps its time for the man to defend himself!!!
I pray the good town of Chester never needs the training they could have gotten from a real team of LE experts...instead they paid for this... John Giduck says "If they are dead, and have not exploded, they should be left exactly where they are- untouched except for two rounds in their heads"
ReplyDeleteIs this the kind of "professionalism" that the good citizens of Chester expect from their PD? You deserve better than Rambo like solutions that would only increase a body count of innocents as well as the guilty.
Shame on your Police Commissioner for fleecing his flock. The money that was paid to John Giduck may have made a difference in a childs life or saved many lives. Good luck to the good citizens of Chester.
Was there a reason for Mr. Bail to change his title to Commissioner...beyond self aggrandizement?
ReplyDeleteThat's not why you pay the man.
He didn't change the title. the mayor did
DeleteWell I am gonna guess the Commissioner title is for him to use, to his and JG's advantage, when he is overseas. His business cards would have that title on them and people would assume, incorrectly, that he is a man of great importance. He is, of course, a Commissioner! Really, why else? Mr Bail, would you like to clarify, if I am mistaken? Didn't think so. Oh, almost forgot (how rude of me) have a nice day "COMMISSIONER".
ReplyDeleteBingo. It is apparent that Bail is using his position with the Chester PD to further his off-duty work. He is in charge and, lo and behold, an international intelligence unit is formed, and he becomes a commissioner. What a coincidence. Wanna bet they were his ideas. Mr Bail we know you're reading, would you like to rebut? Maybe JG can rebut for you, after all, he is a lawyer.
DeleteNot only is Mr. Giduck a lawyer, he evidently vacations with his clients, so there is that added bonus.
DeleteMr Bail, still waiting for a reply from you or your valiant Sgt, who stepped forward in an attempt to stifle dissent. What is really ironic is that if the good Sgt had not stepped forward and acknowledged that he (or someone) was monitoring this blog, I might not still be posting. However, I know that you are out there as a railbird, hoping this all goes away. Wont happen, until you respond to the questions posed. I am gonna post every day until you reply. This blog is not going away. It will remain at the forefront until (1) you reply (2) someone decides to make an issue of it in Chester. Believe me, I am a former SOF guy and I have a lot of patience. Have a nice day. MD
ReplyDeletemaybe the valiant sgt is now switching his party affiliation
Deletejust like bail did back in1996.
Commissioner, please share with the people of the Chester.
ReplyDelete1. Why your Dept has an International Intelligence unit?
2. What impact does that unit have on the rampant crime in the city?
3 How many Officers are tied up in that unit?
4. Why not just have a local intelligence unit?
Thank you sir.
For those of you in Chester who think that Chester is just a small, barely-known town in PA, rest assured that you're newly appointed Commissioner and his lackey's are doing all they can to put Chester on the map...
ReplyDeletehttp://thetruthaboutsocnetlies.wordpress.com/2012/02/18/john-giduck-stange-things-in-chester-pennsylvania/
Mr Bail you are a city representative you OWE your constituents an answer stop being a coward and answer the questions!
ReplyDeleteHere is an example of what happens to LE who violate the public trust when it comes to taxpayer dollars:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/08/us/former-detroit-police-chief-convicted-of-embezzlement.html
These things don't end well.
Good day Mr Bail. Just checking in. Wondering if you are ready to explain why you have an international intelligence unit in Chester. You are thinking that you don't need to explain anything to anyone. You are the Commissioner by God, and no upstart on the Internet is going to make me do anything. I am actually posing a question that the taxpayers should, and soon will, be asking of you. You must be an extremely arrogant man. Maybe tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteGood day Mr Bail. Seems like your buddy Giduck is doing some serious damage control. I cannot believe that you are still believing his lies and obfuscation. You are either dumb (actually doubt that, really) or you have compromised yourself. Still waiting for an explanation as to why you have an international intelligence unit and why is John Giduck on the city of Chesters payroll. Have a nice day.
ReplyDeleteHey was just wondering why you had your Police Chief title changed to Commissioner. You did have to get that approved by the City Council. Sure would like to know what your reason was. Just thinking out loud. I do that sometimes.
ReplyDeleteIf some of you are so trained at Counterterrorism, why not come forward and challange there creditials. why hide behide a post
ReplyDeleteYou guys must all operate from the same script. The questions that have been raised are legitimate. No amount of whining about who we are will change that.
DeleteFrom the 12:10 post on March 5, it looks like there is an effort to change up the writing style a bit. The misspells, poor punctuation, etc. are so blatant that they have to be intentional.
DeleteWhy hello there. I don't believe that anyone is challenging credentials. The questions being posed are listed. Why don't you read the thread and figure that out. sgt, you are back to identify people, again. Try answering the questions. I believe that once answered this post will die.
ReplyDelete1. Why does Chester PD have and need an international intelligence unit?
2. What does the unit do that impacts local crime?
3. Why did the Chief change his title to Commissioner?
4. How big is the unit?
5. Who's idea was the unit?
6. How did you sell it to the City, since Officers are budgeted for positions?
I think I am wasting time again, since you will not deal with the questions posed. If there is nothing to it, just answer the darn questions.
The questions are valid, whether anonymous or not. Do you not agree?
ReplyDeleteWho said they were trained in counterterrorism on this blog? You are mixing us up with Archangel, who, I believe, are the counterterrorism experts.
ReplyDeleteWho is "us"?
DeleteYou couldn't tell by the Chester PD website. Just about every other PD is the country has a very robust webpage that outlines their department and goes into detail about the services they provide and what they offer the local community. Not Chester PD, though. Have you checked it out? Contact info, Mission Statement, Vision, and a link to the good Commish's info where he attaches himself to Giduck. So why the lack of info? Shouldn't the people of Chester know what their PD is about and involved in? Chester PD seems to have the transparency of a brick wall.
DeleteThis post will not die. If you are so worried about what Chester has,why not come to a monthly meeting and ask questions? Then you will getyour answer!
ReplyDeleteI don't need to go to the meeting; you could answer my question right here. Why doesn't Chester PD show some transparency and, like every other PD in America, have a decent webpage that outlines the department and shows the taxpayers what they're paying for? Hiding something, maybe?
DeleteAnd I think it should be, "This thread will not die." As for the for the citizens of Chester, going to monthly meetings and asking questions that are being posed on this thread is a great idea, don't you think?
Deletewhy are city ordinances quoted at whim but citizens of chester dont have access to them to know their rights?
DeleteIs there any Federal funding for the international intelligence unit? You know, there's funding for a lot of programs. Maybe that's a valid question also. just thinking out loud again.
ReplyDeleteIs this the same "Bail" he is trying to protect?
ReplyDeleteQuoted fromPENNRECORD.com
"Nevertheless, defendant Bail sought an arrest warrant against Gorman on Nov. 4, 2009. In the affidavit of probable cause seeking the warrant, however, Bail never informed judicial authorities that an initial investigation done by the Delaware County District Attorney’s Office concluded that no criminal charges against Gorman were warranted, the lawsuit states.
Gorman was eventually arrested on Nov. 11, 2009, and he was suspended with intent to dismiss two days later.
The lawsuit claims that Gorman was never afforded the opportunity to address the suspension or termination letter he received, nor was he given the opportunity to speak about any of the events leading to his subsequent firing."
http://pennrecord.com/news/chester-pa-police-officer-who-was-fired-and-later-got-job-back-sues-city-and-police-superiors/
Yeah who needs those pesky old constitutional rights like, due process, etc. Right Joe?
I have encountered this type of arrogance before. No one has ever questioned Bail, he is the Man. This is his Department and no one is gonna interfere with how he does business. He forgets that he is a public employee, be it with 40 years service. His type has 5 stars on his collar so that when he is at the IACP conferences he looks like a big shot. Forgets to mention he has a less than 100 man Department. Mr. Bail I hate to burst your bubble, but you are just a man, flesh and blood. Chester PD is not your plaything or your empire. You have some valid questions and concerns from citizens, do you duty and respond.
ReplyDeleteI was told about this story by a friend. I just read everything and am wondering what is going on. With our crime rate here I find it hard to believe that we have policemen working international terrorism. I would like to know why.
ReplyDeleteIt is my understanding from persons at City Hall that there are no police officers on a international terrorism team. There is no Federal funding and that this man John Giduck is not on the City payroll.
DeleteOkay, someone's responding. Is there an international INTELLIGENCE unit? Why? How may officers assigned? What's ur budget? Who approved this unit and why? How are Bails books coming along? What impact does your unit have on local crime?
DeleteThank you for the prompt reply. Is everything I am reading here not true? Why is this blog entry getting so many responders?
DeleteLooks like you're famous...
Deletehttp://thetruthaboutsocnetlies.wordpress.com/2012/03/08/has-police-commissioner-joe-bail-put-john-giduck-on-chester-pas-payroll/
So what's up? Is there an international terrorism department or is Joe Bail best buds and a business partner with a liar and fraud? Either way, what does this say about the Commish?
Why is it so hard to find out and how is it not public knowledge what services, capabilities, and functions exist in the Chester PD?! Why is the Chester PD so tight-lipped with their operations?
DeleteGive Joe a chance. Soccer stadium, casiano, bussisseness on the water front, under ground gas lines. This area is a easy targaret and the government knows it. What's what kind of federal resources and money Joe will bring to Chester to make it safer and better for business to come to. Joe will get federal money to better the police. He will also not tolerate police misconduct. Joe will improve the detective division and the wil make the community safe. Give him a chance and time. The people posting all the remarks know Joe and want him to fail, there called haters......
ReplyDeleteThat is a lot of purty talk about what Joe WILL do- what HAS he done? Good or bad?
DeleteYou honestly going to suggest that a circular employer/employee relationship with an outside entity isn't something that should be examined? Particularly when said outside entity had, to put it mildly, an unusual relationship with a cop-killer?
You seriously going to defend him running around the globe playing danger tourist IF it was done on the taxpayer's dime- to include collecting any kind of salary while doing so?
Get serious. Bail needs to be put under the microscope. There is a hell of a lot of smoke here.
anonymous stated that we are to give joe a chance. not comissioner bail, but joe. they further said that the people posting all the remarks know "joe" and want him to fail,they're called haters.
Deleteall the people know "joe" kinda makes you think about the postings of folks who don't know "joe".
chester isn't a "soft spot" for terriost to attack. the police department must work within the confines of the city itself. chester has it's own terriosts, we call them thugs.
let "joe" work on stopping these terroists.
Can "those persons"at City Hall tell you why the PD has an international intelligence unit. Can they tell you how many work in that unit? Thank you.
ReplyDeleteThe actual name given for the department was the international intelligence section of the narcotics department if I recall correctly. According to John Giduck's own blog:
ReplyDeleteIn January 2012 he was hired to assist in creating the international intelligence section of the Narcotics & Intelligence Unit of the City of Chester (PA) Police Department and also serves as a training coordinator. http://johngiduck.com/pages/about
This does raise a few questions given the tendency of Mr. Giduck to split linguistic hairs; Is there an International intelligence section of the narcotics unit? Is John Giduck- or any corporation or entity of John Giduck's receiving any kind of money from the city of Chester?
To the peanut gallery- Mr. Giduck has a bit of a history with playing games with language- this would be why it would not surprise me at all to learn that one of his sock puppets would argue with the premise by simply changing the terms a little bit. For example- substituting international terrorism team for International Intelligence section of the narcotics unit or using the phrase "John Giduck is not on the city payroll" without addressing if one of his companies has a contract or if he was on the payroll himself in the past.
I don't know for certain that this is the case, but as I said splitting these kinds of hairs would be consistent with what we have seen out of him in the past; he has the type of mentality and lack of ethics that would enable one to argue that "it depends on what the definition of is is" to borrow from a former president.
A consultant wouldn't be on the payroll.
ReplyDeleteFrom what I've read, there is a relationship between Mr. Giduck and Mr. Bail and there is money involved. Taxpayer money.
ReplyDeletemaybe its a gay for pay type deal? lol
DeleteSounds like City Hall is trying to cover something up. Why hasn't Charlatan Bail came here and addressed these questions?
ReplyDeleteAlso "AnonymousMar 7, 2012 09:26 AM", if this is the case, why has Mr. Bail touted multiple times that there is an International Terrorism Team in Chester? It is DOCUMENTED from his own words. Also, He and Mr. Giduck have both stated that Giduck is a consultant to the City of Chester's PD department, he doesn't consult for free. Follow the money.. where there's smoke, there's certainly fire.
To AnonymousMar 7, 2012 06:44 PM
ReplyDeleteSeriously? That's your justification for the Commish's fleecing of Chester? Pittsburgh has literally 10x the population, THREE major sports stadiums, THREE rivers with businesses all along the banks, and has no need for an international terrorism/intelligence division or whatever it is that Joe Bail is calling his boondoggle. Philly, right up the road and also much bigger than Chester, has no such thing, either. And why is it that you're indirectly confirming that such a division in the Chester PD exists while others on here are denying it's existence? Who's telling the truth?
No straight answers here it seems.
ReplyDeleteOn Commissioner Bail
ReplyDeleteYour Commissioner and his buddy John Giduck used fear and ignorance to sell themselves as experts.....and they sometimes used the good name of Chester to do it..you deserve better Chester...
i am a retired police office who served the people of chester for over 20 years.
Deletei for one believe that the CITY OF CHESTER needs a police intelligence unit. but not for international terrorism.
we need a local intelligence unit towork with federal, state
and other local authorities to find out where are the "GUNS" coming from and getting into the hands of the bad guys!!!
So, if these issues and concerns are brought up at the City Council meeting, will they be addressed? The City leaders are the ones who hired Bail as their Chief (I mean COMMISSIONER). It is not in their best interest for anything disparaging to come out. However, if they do not address the issues now, and, when it really hits the fan (which it will), how do they explain their inaction now? If monies are being wasted on pay (while away on a private boondoggle) or on outsiders (JG) with questionable credentials, how can they justify it to the voters. Not with the City coffers being empty, and the possibility of school closures etc.
ReplyDeleterecently, i read a article in the chester spirit newspaper.
ReplyDeletethe article highlighted a program that chief alston instituted last june. the program is a effort to reduce crime and violence by creating a better relationship between the police officers and the community that they serve.
i was glad to see that cyrese dixon with the approval of joe bail
are continuning this worth while project. it won't hurt, but will surely help!!!
Joe Kane how you doing? Joe Kane you went out on a disability making tax free money, and their is nothing wrong with you. How do you shave in the morning? Joe Kane should be looked at under the scope. Keep playing that horn Joe.
ReplyDeleteHi Dan. As a former Chester Policeman, what are your thoughts on the Dept having an international intelligence unit. If you have read the prior posts, you can see the concern that the unit is basically a cover for Bail, and others, to be able to go to foreign locations, without having to take vacation or unpaid leave, in order to obtain information for avail and Giducks books. Can you think of a valid reason for having such a unit in Chester. Also, can you think of a valid reason for Bail to change the Chief of Police title to Commissioner? Once again it is probably tied into his personal, off duty, gig, writing books. The title Commissioner sounds so much more important than Chief. What are your thoughts there Dan, and thanks for being part of the conversation.
ReplyDeleteI have no idea what motivation commissioner joe bail has in creating a international intelligence unit within the chester police department. one would have to ask the commissioner himself.
Deleteif i were a ineternational terrorist, the city of chester wouldn't be on my list of targets.primary,secondary or any.
like i mentioned before, i would perfer that the chester police department have a loclal intelligence unit. this I believe would benefit the community.
as far as joe bail changing the name as the head of the police department from police chief to commissioner.
yes, the title sounds more powerful, but joe bail isn't the first head to be called "COMMISSIONER". for the police department!!!.
I personall know that the trips Joe Bail takes are not paid for by the City and he uses his vacation time and uses his own money
DeleteThanks for the reply Dan. Sounds like a convenient time to change the title back to Commissioner, what with all his overseas travel. Commissioner sure sounds important. I would guess, from what you have written, that you were with Chester PD for a while. It sure is nice to know that we are not missing anything that could be construed as a major terrorist target. All points back to the fact the unit is a convenient cover for personal activity. Having a unit like that kinda gives carte Blanche for overseas travel on the City's dime. What a scam. What do you think about that Dan? Once again thanks for engaging!
ReplyDeleteThere is no international unit........ And yes Chester is a soft targaret and so are the cummunitys around Chester ......... Commissioner is a good title for a city department....... Commissioner Bail has every intention of making this department better and this City safer......... Give the man the chance...... Once again there is no international unit...... And remember that a leader will prepare for all situations..... And buy the way the new mayor is doing more for this department then the past mayor ever thought of doing..... Before you judge let there actions prove to the community that they can sucseed or fail........ I think they will prove slot of folks wrong.... Let's move forward and let's hope for better and safer City.......
ReplyDeleteYou've stated twice that "there is no international unit"; gotcha. So instead of playing with words, could you please give the actual name and description of the unit that Joe Bail created to "prepare for all situations"? Both Joe Bail and John Giduck have claimed that some unit within the Chester PD exists that they have collaborated on and you've alluded to it's existence, so why not drop the games, fill us in, and clear up the confusion?
DeleteJust curious since no one seems to be able to get definitieve answers to questions posted here previously - but what is the new mayor doing for the department?
DeleteSo why is John Giduck saying there is? Why doesn't Joe Bail dispute his claims? I'll tell you why: Joe Bail maintains a business relationship with John Giduck.
DeleteIs there anyway to declassify Chester as a Home Rule City? Do we need to get signatures? Put it on a ballot?
ReplyDeleteGlad to see chester's new mayor focusing on the really important stuff to help rejuvenate the city. The only other reason I can think of for Chester to have an international intelligence unit within the chester police is if there is more going down here than meets the eye. As in some sort of top secret area 51 type deal. why else would a city seem to try so hard to scare people aware from residing and working there?
ReplyDeleteSo, if there is no international intelligence unit (and never has been) within the Chester PD, and if someone said there was in fact such a unit, would that person be lying? Is so, why? Also, the Commissioner title is for Bail to sound more important, It's called narcissism.
ReplyDeleteThis was all a rumor and all the haters got on board..... Their is no international unit..... commissioner Bail is going to make this department better. His main focus is on education, community police, and getting the small percent of thugs off the street that are giving our city a bad name. The new mayor is leading this, and has done more for the police dept. Then the last mayor. I know because aim a police officer here, and was shocked as a replubican to see how this new adminastration has started off. Keep this up Mr. Mayor, and you get my vote and slot more..... And thank you for your support.
ReplyDeleteJudging by the readings, the "rumor" has been perpetuated by Commissioner Bail and Mr. Giduck themselves.
DeleteSo if it doesn't exist, they are lying. If it does exist, they are lying. You don't have to be a lawyer who vacations with a cop killer on her dead (cop) husband's dime to play the semantics game.
i believe that the joe bail controversy has run its course.
Deletefor the future...if anyone has a issue with the way joe bail is running things within the police department. they should approach him directly about it!!! or indirectly by going through the mayor and city council.
I don't think you're the arbiter of whether a topic has run its course or not. You seem to want this to just go away. Why is that?
DeleteSo John Giduck, who is being paid by the PD as A consultant made up this rumor? Why? If so, why is he being paid monies by the City. Has there ever been such a unit?
ReplyDeleteHow many trips has Bail made overseas, while being paid by the City? Riddle me that.
ReplyDeleteIt seems I'm being attacked by a nameless, factless, and medical degreeless soul, who should've taken the the time to read the 500 plu pages of Dr.s and surgeon's reports before commenting. i'm flattered my life is so meaningful to you. As for the trumpet, I've been playing since 1966, and will continue until God calls me home. Meanwhile, you continue to blow whatever it is you like?
ReplyDeleteYou did not get hit by Sgt. Battinieri like you want people to believe
DeleteTo AnonymousMar 13, 2012 07:22 AM;
ReplyDeleteWell Hot Dang Super Cop! You are still missing the point. SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE has been saying that your very Department is claiming an International Terrorism Department. This was written by both Commish. Bail and John Giduck on NUMEROUS websites. It wasn't made up somewhere, or pulled out of the air by someone with a vendetta. Maybe you should spend some time investigating WHERE these claims came from, and do your JOB as a POLICE OFFICER and make sure that IF there is corruption, you spear head it and clean it up, after all it is YOUR duty to do so, you SERVE the people of Chester NOT Commish. Bail. Chew on that for a bit.
Dan it has not run its course, but thanks for the input.
ReplyDeletehttp://johngiduck.com/pages/about
ReplyDelete"In January 2012 he was hired to assist in creating the international intelligence section of the Narcotics & Intelligence Unit of the City of Chester (PA) Police Department and also serves as a training coordinator."
Just like a corrupt PD to have a mouthpiece like Dan Lewis come on here and tell everyone what to do, and basically try to silence the people trying to bring justice to a corrupt Police Dept. Dan, what's next? Are you going to find our IP addresses, and figure out were we are, and issue warrants? IT IS NOT UP TO YOU TO DECIDE IF SOMETHING HAS RUN IT'S COURSE, OR TO TELL PRIVATE CITIZENS TO BASICALLY SHUT UP AND NOT GO AFTER CORRUPTION IN THEIR OWN CITIES. **NEWSFLASH.. This is NOT Mother Russia or Nazi Germany. And by saying what you said, you are only solidifying the resolve of those that desire JUSTICE be brought to the LIARS and the CHARLATANS that call themselves Teroroligists and Commissioner of the Chester P.D. Keep up the good work, these guys your mixing it up with, that your not-so-good commish has mixed it up with, they aren't the type to be intimidated, or to run from a challenge. It ONLY strengthens their resolve to make sure that FRAUD is EXPOSED.
ReplyDeleteHey Dan, what controversy are speaking of? Bail either has/had an international intelligence unit or he lied about the fact he did have one, when he didn't. Which one is it Dan, since you have decided to be the one deciding the fate of this "Joe Bail controversy".
ReplyDeleteDan says it's over, that's it nothing to see here keep moving, nothing to see here (as the City of Chester burns to the ground behind him)
ReplyDeleteI hope Dan has a union to protect his sorry job.
Someone should go to the Internal Affairs Officeand file a complaint!!
ReplyDeleteJoe Kane how did you get hurt?
ReplyDeletei thought that this blog was about the new police chief.
Deletenot the character assassination of joe kane and mr.dan.
Chester needs an "intelligence unit" alright, one that will actually give these police officers some intelligence. Half of the Chester police officers are plum DUMB. Half of them can't even spell.... Have you ever seen some of the police reports they write and OMG to hear them on the witness stand in court makes you wonder how in the hell they ever got the job. Forget INTERNATIONAL intelligence, let’s start with mandatory English 101 for these jokers.
ReplyDeleteThe claim by John Giduck on his personal website of being contracted to work for Chester in creating an international intelligence section has been posted for all to see. Since we have several people here associated with Chester PD refuting that statement, then it's clear that John Giduck is a liar. But that brings up the question... if John Giduck is lying about his association with Chester PD to boost his credentials, why does Joe Bail have such a tight relationship with him? They've travelled the world together and collaborated on several books, all while John Giduck is publically lying about his assocation with the Chester PD. Would you be a close business partner with someone who's lying about their association with you? It doesn't make sense, does it? But maybe it has something to do with that Zodiac he donated to the Chester PD of the money that the Commish has made from the books they wrote together... hmmm....
ReplyDeleteWow, all I hear is crickets. I figured one of you guys connected with the Chester PD would be able to straighten this all out. John Giduck has made a public claim about his association with Chester PD and his working on a section that you all have said doesn't exist and yet him and your boss are BFFs. What gives? And just so you know, silence isn't going to make this go away.
ReplyDeleteJoe Kane how did you get hurt sir?
ReplyDeleteMr. Kane did you get hurt chasing down a criminal? How did you get hurt sir, and what police honors did you receive ? Tell us so the above can shut up! 500 page medical report wow! If you can entertain and dance and blow the horn, why don't you have a desk job? Ie records division? Waiting for an answer mr. Kane!!
ReplyDeleteGood day, all. Still waiting for someone tied to the PD to explain why Commissioner Bail's best buds and a business partner with someone lying about his association with the Chester PD in order to profit from it. Sounds like fraud to me and the Commish is tacitly approving it. Am I wrong?
ReplyDeleteYou can check the records. As for dancing, you've gotten me mixed up with Sammy Davis Jr. Contrary to belief, we don't all look alike. As for the trumpet, no damage to my lungs, embouchure or diaphram! As for my police career, it's public record. Get someone to read it to you.
ReplyDeleteA RACIST REMARK?????
DeleteAre those Zodiac boats good for fishing?
ReplyDeleteMr. Joe you don't have to defend yourself against a nameless coward. We all know who you are and what you stand for. Even before you became a cop you were involved in the commuity as a teacher, father and husband. Someone is very envious of you. The citizens of Chester have your back. We know you, we don't know this fool!
ReplyDeleteMr. Cane I was not insulting you sir, just was Douro us how you got hurt protecting and serving. With that being said could you please tell why can't you work a desk job? Out and away from the public? You could work in records? Thank you
ReplyDeleteMr.Caine I have scene you play and you are good and do move up there on the stage. There should be a job for a cop who has worked so hard fighting crime like you.
ReplyDeleteMr. Caine your hands fingers, arms, move fine to play the trumpet so you can shoot a gun. And you can walk and dance I see you move up on stage. Dont you feel bad for the men and women who are out there every day fighting crime? Are you a like a 302 mental stress? That I could understand! Tough job only the strong survive.
ReplyDeleteThe zodiac is a great rescue boat and can be launch fast for example if you and your family are out on the water and your boat sinks they can get to you fast! Saving life's is apart of law enforcement fool!
ReplyDeleteSorry if you & your family are on the Delaware in a sinking boat you would not see a Chester Rescue boat. You be sitting there sinking & waiting for a Volunteer Fire Company Rescue Boat from Tinicum Twp. or the US Coast Guard out of Philly to save you. If you close enough to the Flower St boat ramps you might be able to see a Chester Fire Truck watching you go down! Because they have no way of getting to you to help.
DeleteThat man has served this community for decades, and has grand children. He is a cop not a crook. He is bring this department together and people like you are not for it. And I know your a cop writing this, because aim to. And aim not friends with comish Bail. But I do respect him for what he is doing bring this department into the 21st century, and educating his cops and for the new motor keep up the good work sir......
ReplyDeleteGosh were to start…
DeleteBail has “grand children”, well then it is impossible for him to do wrong.
“He is a cop not a crook.” You missed the comma and who says he isn’t both.
“He is bring this…” I think you meant bringing, but that is just my guess.
“And I know your…” No, you don’t know and it’s you’re not your.
“because aim to.” Oh gosh, it is “I am” and then “too” not “to”.
“But I do respect him for what he is doing bring this department into the…” Again you missed the comma between “But” and “I” as well as between “doing” and “bring”. As well you might want to try “bringing”.
God help us if you’re a cop, because you are illiterate and arguably stupid as well. I could go on, but alas, there seems to be no point. (see if you can catch the errors I’ve placed in this text, I know you can’t catch crooks)
Joe Caine how much money was missing from the weed and seed?
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of Weed & Seed, look into who's running it now (they went from Bad to worst). Chester PD is full of a bunch of incomparable crooks just like their Commish.
ReplyDeleteAs for Joe Cain, you can't blame the man for jumping ship. Atleast he didnt go out IOD, sue the city, quit, come back after spending the cities money, get rehired and is now climbing the crooked ladder in ranks.
Let's not just look at Joe Bail, lets pull the whole rug up from under the department and see how much DIRT has been swept underneath it.
this blog went from the joe bail revue....to the joe kane bashing...now, anonymous #9 wants to go for the whole police department.
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DeleteYou sir are correct. This blog needs to stay on track and deal with the concerns about Joe Bail and the international intelligence unit, and its reason for being. It also needs to deal with whatever travels Bail took, on city time, to research information that will help in his books, but be of no consequence to the day to day policing in Chester. Thank you for keeping this blog on track. Your input is invaluable.
Back to the Commish...
ReplyDeleteHere's some good reading concerning the Commish's extracurricular activities and foreign travel...
http://thetruthaboutsocnetlies.wordpress.com/2012/03/25/what-did-joe-bail-contribute-during-the-terror-at-beslan-fact-finding-trip/
Probably worth noting that Commissioner Bail's friend and business associate John Giduck has earned himself a spot on the POW Network's Wall of Shame. Well done!
ReplyDeleteJoe Kane how much money did you steal from weed and seed? And how did you get hurt? You Joe Kane are again stealing from the city why hard working men and women are risking there life for the good citizens! Joe Kain keep your opion to urself you are on a fraud wokmens com, and you are a scumbag................
ReplyDeleteMore info on the Commish's shady and suspicious dealings with a known fraud and questionable claims about his international travel and co-writing a book about something he has no expertise on...
ReplyDeletehttp://thetruthaboutsocnetlies.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/commissioner-joseph-bails-own-terror-at-beslan-fact-finding-timeline-issues/
Hey Chester, it looks like Joe Bail has his own personal section of a website dedicated to illuminating the lies and inconsistencies Commissioner Bail's best buddy, business partner, and member of the POW Network Wall of Shame, John Giduck. You might want to check it out and see what top law enforcement official in Chester has been up to.
ReplyDeletehttp://thetruthaboutsocnetlies.wordpress.com/chester-pa-joseph-bail-site-map/
LOL. This guy is a cop? Good Lord.
ReplyDeleteWher's Big Ern?
ReplyDeleteIt seems that whenever documented facts start flying everyone on the Chester PD starts heading for cover. NOBODY wants to take a stab at why the Commish is in it up to his neck both personally and professionally with a confirmed fraud? How about why the confirmed fraud was hired as a consultant by the Chester PD? Would it have anything to do with him hiring the Commish as a consultant as well as giving the Chester PD a boat? Does anyone in Chester not see what's shady about that?
ReplyDeleteAnyone ever hear of something called "conflict of interest"?
ReplyDeleteIf I may ask? What is Weed and Seed? My guess is that it is confiscated dope money, property, etc. that is put back into the community. Maybe I am wrong. I suppose I could Google it, but I live near Detroit. Just sounds like a familiar brand name for...
ReplyDeleteI never liked the name either. To me it always implies pot and their seeds, or a community garden.
DeleteI'll let the people closer to the program define it.
Well, I did Google it. Imagine that, I wasn't too far off the mark. Me, a civilian. LOL.
ReplyDeleteOh, and another thing, Mr. Kane? Your Classmates.com photo, last I checked, had you standing in uniform next to a patrol car. I thought you were retired. The caption said 13 year Chester Police whatever. Retired police, like retired military, have no problem saying they are retired. At least, I would think they wouldn't. Maybe you have updated your profile since I saw it a week or so ago. If not, why? Oh, and that Sammy Davis Jr. crack you made awhile ago? Are you saying you are Jewish, too?
ReplyDeleteLet's knock off the anti-Semitic tone with the gratuitous references to the late Sammy Davis, Jr.
ReplyDeleteA big problem with this blog is the high percentage of posts characterized as Anonymous. I would like to see Mr. Roots publish the IP address of each post so we can see if the various comments are coming from multiple parties or if instead they are the work of a lone, singularly focused yet quite garrulous party.
C'mon people, the city of Chester is a complete craphole with seemingly intractable problems. However, there are almost 200 comments to the article about Joe Bail's title!!! Are you kidding me? Can't you make more productive comments?
Nice try. How is that professional victim thing working out for you?
DeleteMr. and Mrs. Weisberg,
ReplyDeleteI sympathize with your situation in Chester and agree that the posts have wandered off-topic, but the 200 comments have nothing to do with Joe Bail's title and EVERYTHING to do with his professional conduct and associations. He's connected himself and the Chester PD with member of the POW Network's Wall of Shame and used YOUR tax dollars to pay this individual who's claimed military service and credentials that he never achieved or earned.
Hey Stuffy, Weed & Seed got it's name from the State Agriculture Dept. Based upon principles of gardening; weed out the bad and seed in the good.
ReplyDeleteThe program was later turned of to the PCCD, but the name stayed as other states and the Federal Gov. set up programs. There are even Weed & Seed and Communities that Care Networks around the world now.
Thanks,
DeleteI remember that the name made sense when you knew where it came from.
It's still a bad name, but they have a great purpose.
Why did the Commish's Bio change and now where did the City's web page go??
ReplyDeleteLooks like Commissioner Bail has dropped his love letter to John Giduck disguised as a bio from the Chester City Police Dept. webpage. Hmm....I wonder why?
ReplyDeleteJoe Kane were is that 5 grand and keep dancing and blowing that horn you should be working in records then stealing from the city how do you sleep at night?
ReplyDeleteWhere is Comrade Joeski Bailedout ?
ReplyDeleteWord on the street is that he is currently chasing International Donut thieves wif
John "who me" Giduckski. They are armed wif Russin' advanced entrenching tools.
http://thetruthaboutsocnetlies.wordpress.com/2012/04/26/chester-pas-joseph-joe-bail-mumbai-inaccuracies-trident-oberoi/
ReplyDeleteAny Chesterites know that your Commissioner wants to be an author? It looks like he, in all of his international terrorism-expertise, wrote a case study on the terrorist attack that occured in India a few years ago. Any of you know that it's poorly written and inaccurate? From what I'm seeing with Chester's crime rate, maybe the good Commissioner should focus more on fighting crime and less on writing fiction.
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